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和maltran大虾谈需求沙龙。。。。（精彩哦～） －－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－ maltran：
As for the 需求管理, it is a part of the scope management from our point of view, yes, it is quite important for any project. maltran：
How do you think about this case ? camer说：
先列个问题清单，按照游戏的方式活跃互动的讨论 camer说：
关键是记录下任何有用的信息 camer说：
并分享 maltran：
That is ok, but my suggestion on this is try to limit the problem to a specific area of project management, any way, the project management is the baseline and platform for all of us, if we go too far away, then I am afraid we will lack of common language. Matter of fact, it is a systmatic thinking problem, we need to know where is the problem, then why this problem happen, is it the project management theory problem, or our implementing problem. maltran：
Did you work out the question list ? camer说：
有一些线索，还没有整理成list camer说：
茂川能否给我提供几个？ maltran：
So, my suggestion on this is to define what 需求管理 is, and what is the area of the project management, then base on this we may go futher step by step. maltran：
This seems like to draw a plan, first we need to make scope definition camer说：
这也是我最关注的问题：需求基线 maltran：
Then, we may ask what is the current situation and what is problem we met camer说：
做需求基线在很多项目中都是比较困难的。。。你们的状况很好哦 maltran：
Since I am not so familiar with domestic customer and their project management principle, so it is really hard for me to list the problem they may face camer说：
呵呵～～ maltran：
Yes, as for the requirement baseline, the most problem is coming from define the "real and practical" needs of customer maltran：
But in most case, since in the very begining, the project is starting from concept, so both project initiator and customer are not clear on what the product will be and what the product should be maltran：
So, when project moves with such a confusion begining, very thing is uncertain and nobody can say "ok, I will buy the bill if there is anything wrong base on this spec."
camer说：
深度认同！！ maltran：
So, in next week salong, we should collect and make out the current situation of the requirement management problem existing in current company
camer说：
首先识别问题
camer说：
和状态
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然后才是解决方法
maltran：
No, matter how stange the problems are, we may just collect information, then from the this we may analysis and find out the root cause for each problem, finally, we may come to a common solution which can be used by all of the team member camer说：
首先是收集信息 maltran：
Yes, you are right, we can't fist limit the our topic, what I mean just focus on the question list though the list is very important, but it is not all. maltran：
So, base on your bitter experince, you may initiate the topic to lead the discuss thoughly step by step maltran：
Then we may have a overview what is current project management status in this area, sure this maybe a good statement and sales weapon when we talk with the management of the company to promote our organization to them maltran：
Yes, we need the topic, and the topic mayb be something like 需求管理的现状和未来 libber|沟通是一种快乐 说：
good idea maltran：
Then we may try to collect some open information and complaints in internet from now on maltran：
And that is part of the topic since it will be a good case to analysis together. camer说：
可以在QQ群中发起讨论，也可以在bbs中收集相关的信息 maltran：
That is very good way camer说：
也可以通过邮件收集 camer说：
open information camer说：
本公司软件项目的需求管理现状。。。 camer说：
不需要很长的文字，只需要一个简明的清单就可以 camer说：
libber，能否做一下这个调查？ maltran：
Yes, you are right, we already had a good start so far. libber|沟通是一种快乐 说：
问题征集 camer说：
本公司软件项目的需求管理现状。。。信息收集 maltran：
Yes, problem collection and current management collection libber|沟通是一种快乐 说：
管理现状，这个难些，呵呵 camer说：
如果这样做，我们这个沙龙就可以给具体的软件公司出一些解决方案了。。。好！ maltran：
When we got the problem, then we may discuss the case in the salong, finally we will find solution, then we may write an article and paste on the BBS and say, hei, ladies and gentlemen, here is the solution, please take it to treate your disease camer说：
呵呵～～ 太好了 maltran：
Sure, when we solve one problem, then we win one company and make a good advertisement to other companies, in the mean time this BBS will be very hot camer说：
多赢思路哦。。。。Good ideas camer说：
不要空谈，要实际的，有用的信息 camer说：
只要能找到，任何渠道都可以 maltran：
Yes, we need very practical case, and analysis it very though camer说：
case by case 。。。。solution camer说：
也可以积累我们的核心资源 maltran：
otherwise, we are just make aspiline, verybody can take several pill to make him feel better, but can't treate his disease maltran：
Sure, once we have several sucessful practice, then we may find something or even some problem in the project management theory and develp a systematic way to solve domestic software project management problem camer说：
需求管理沙龙应该是一个系列。。。 maltran：
Yes, prepare it early, as for the solution, it will come out in nature, don't worry about it. camer说：
我们还可以通过推广，吸引需求分析师进来 maltran：
Of course, there is no best solution, only better and better solution, then we have solution version A, B C..., and this is the development path maltran：
Good idea to absort some analysist into the salong camer说：
做到后面，可以基于案例的讨论（对每一次沙龙活动） maltran：
Yes, you say what I want to say camer说：
不断收集案例，在沙龙中face to face 讨论，也可以放在bbs和QQ群中讨论 maltran：
Good, when we can initiate a discusion in one topic and if this makes a lot of people involved in, then we make a good advertisement from very begining and SPM_GZ wil become famous camer说：
这正式我们要的效果 camer说：
如果真的做得很实际和深入，会形成良性循环的吸引力的 maltran：
It is something like the big discussion ＂真理的标准， 郎咸平的国有资产流失，and so on, the key point for this isn't some guy give a solution but initiate a discussion
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Re:[公告] 诚邀参加“需求管理困境突围”沙龙活动【SPM-GZ俱乐部】
[回复于 2005/4/16]